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SHAW, CNN ANCHOR: Joining us now from New York to discuss
the Israeli side of the settlement issue, as well as the
Israeli troop pullout from Hebron is Eliahu Ben-Elissar.
Israel's ambassador to the United States. Mr. Ambassador, as
I welcome you to "Worldview," it has been said as Jerrold
Kessel said, that many people regard President Clinton as
Israel's best presidential friend to date. The criticism
expressed by the White House, the state department, and we
just heard Secretary of State Christopher was done in
not-very- subtle words. What is your government going to do?
ELIAHU BEN-ELISSAR, AMBASSADOR TO UNITED STATES, ISRAEL: I
can tell you that Israel has decided not to create new
settlements; has decided not to expand existing settlements;
and actually, we are pursuing a policy which used to be the
policy of the state of Israel, whether Labor or Likud were
in office. We do consider President Clinton as a very, very
friendly president to the state of Israel. He, the
President, and the United States have done very much in
order to enhance the chances of peace in the Middle East, of
peace and security for the state of Israel and we're very,
very grateful. And I have no doubt that we will be able to
achieve some kind of settlement with the Palestinians. And
all I can tell you, is that we have been working very
closely together with the United States on sharing actually,
the same policy and the same goals.
SHAW: Mr. Ambassador, you just said categorically that
Israel has decided not to create and not to expand the
settlements.
BEN-ELISSAR: Correct.
SHAW: Then what is all the fuss about?
BEN-ELISSAR: To tell you the truth, sometimes I am puzzled
myself what is it all about? How come that all of a sudden,
from different quarters in the United States, not only the
media but especially the media, we are being criticized of
-- and for no blame, no thought committed to our side. I
simply don't know why should we be blamed. We are, for
instance, ready to sign that accord which has been already
now negotiated for over two months with the PLO, with the
Palestinian authority on Hebron, where in fact, ready even
to withdraw from Hebron.
SHAW: Mr. Ambassador, if I could interrupt you, sir, the
decision to give financial subsidies to settlers, was not a
decision taken in a vacuum. Your government had to know
there would be international reaction especially since there
has been no movement on Hebron and especially since both
Israelis and Palestinians have been killed and the violence
has ticked up a bit. Was the decision based on domestic
political considerations more important to your government
than possible international reaction?
BEN-ELISSAR: The relationship -- the friendly relationship
with the United States is very, very dear to us. It's
actually, the cornerstone of Prime Minister Netanyahu's and
the Israeli government and the state of Israel's whole
policy and whole strategy. The very profound friendship
between the United States and Israel. Having said that, I
can tell you that 160,000 Israelis live today in what is
being called settlements, and they have been discriminated
against by the last Israeli government. All that the recent
governments -- Israeli cabinets' resolution has actually --
is intended to... is to re-establish some kind of status quo
and to abolish any discrimination between or among Israeli
citizens. That's all. It has nothing to do with expanding
settlements.
SHAW: I want to conclude our interview because I have one
more question I want to be certain you have time to respond.
You are aware of the letter signed by three previous United
States secretaries of state including Eagleburger, Vance,
Baker, and some former national security advisers from
Bresinski, to (ph) Scowcroft, to (ph) Carlucci, Former
Ambassador Robert Strauss. They talked about concern about
what your government has done. They warned that to engage in
unilateral actions such as the expansions of the settlements
could undermine the peace process and they said, such a
tragic result -- if the peace process is undermined, could
threaten the security not only of Israel, but Palestinians,
the friendly Arab states, but it could disrupt U.S.
interests in the Middle East. Your reaction to that letter
that was released yesterday?
BEN-ELISSAR: While we were burying our dead people, a mother
and a child, this letter was sent to us. I'm sorry, but I
have to praise some other secretaries of state like --
former secretaries like Dr. Kissinger, Schultz, Hague, who
have not signed this letter, so that not everybody agrees
with this kind of position which I would have preferred not
to take place, especially... especially because we are, all
of us, situated at the very delicate stage in the peace
process. And Israel, believe me, is not to be blamed.
SHAW: A quick question, ambassador. At this point in time,
is the Middle East peace process dead in the water?
BEN-ELISSAR: Absolutely not. Not only is it not dead, it's
very well alive. It is up to everybody to make a
contribution to it. We are ready to make a contribution to
it. We are ready now to sign the agreement on Hebron. We are
ready to go on with the process. We're actually calling on
Syria, not only on the Palestinians to come and talk with
us. I don't know whether there will be a positive result,
but I am certain that if we do not talk, then there would be
no result whatsoever. Better to talk than not to talk. The
same with the Palestinians.
SHAW: Mr. Ambassador for your time, I thank you.
BEN-ELISSAR: Thank you so much.
SHAW: You're quite welcome.
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