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MR.
LEHRER: The breakthrough decision of the United States
to talk to the Palestine Liberation Organization is our
story tonight. The decision was announced last night by
Secretary of State Shultz. It followed statements of PLO
Leader Yasser Arafat that Shultz said met long- standing
American conditions for dialogue. We will be hearing from
the Israeli Ambassador to the United States, an American
member of the Palestine National Council, and the State
Department's top Middle East Official. They will be followed
by an analysis from an Arab expert by former Israeli and
American officials. The Israeli Ambassador to the United
States, Moshe Arad is first.
MR. LEHRER: Mr. Ambassador, welcome.
MOSHE ARAD, Israeli Ambassador: Thank you.
MR. LEHRER: You heard what President Reagan said
today, that Israel need not be concerned about this decision
because the U.S. has not retreated one inch from
guaranteeing the safety of Israel. How do you respond to
that, sir?
AMB. ARAD: Well, we are very reassured and I think
very heartened by the statement made by the President, by
the Vice President, the President- elect and by the
Secretary of State last night. However, I think we are
witnessing here a change in American policy which for us is
of course a source of concern. I'm not suggesting that this
is going to bring about a crisis in the relations between
Israel and the United States. I feel that in the
relationship that we have with the United States, which is
vast, which is deep, which encompasses so many areas from
strategic cooperation to a free trade area and from
cooperation between the respective defense establishment of
our two countries, such a development can be absorbed, can
be debated. We had such events in the past and we did
overcome such problems.
MR. LEHRER: What is the potential harm of the United
States just talking to the PLO?
AMB. ARAD: The potential harm is in the perception that some
Middle Eastern nations might have that they might draw a
wedge between Israel and the United States, and perceptions
in the Middle East are as important as reality. And the
second element that concerns us is the fact that, indeed,
Mr. Arafat spoke those magic words but when you read also
the speech which he made a day earlier at the United Nations
General Assembly, the whole distortion of the facts of the
political events and the history of the last 40 years, his
constant reference to Israeli society as a society which is
very similar to a fascist society, as a society which is
aggressive, which is colonial, as a country which imposes
its will by the power of arms into this area, you can, you
may reach a conclusion that actually in his approach, in his
viewing the Israeli reality, nothing has changed.
MR. LEHRER: You mentioned that this was a change in
U.S. policy. It has been the policy, as you know, of the
United States for 13 years that they would talk to the PLO
once certain conditions were met and Israel was aware of
that. Why the concern now just because they have been met at
least in the eyes of the United States? You knew it was
coming.
AMB. ARAD: We knew it's coming and I would be less
than candid if I pretend otherwise, but knowing that it's
coming, you also like I would also to test it, to put it to
the test as against other statements made by Mr. Arafat, or
if not Mr. Arafat by his lieutenants, by his associates, or
Mr. Arafat, himself, just a few weeks ago in which he
referred to Israel as a racist state. Is there a real change
of heart and of mind with Mr. Arafat, or of the PLO
leadership? I doubt this very much. And while I can
understand that the United States has lived up to the
conditions which it set back in 1975, the realities that we
live with, the violence that we are confronted with, is very
much part of the realities of lives that Israelis are
experiencing.
MR. LEHRER: Well, what then do you think the United
States is up to? You say it doesn't hurt the relationship.
How can it not hurt the relationship if Israel feels as
strongly as you do and the folks back in Israel feel, isn't
this a terrible thing to the relationship? AMB. ARAD:
No, I didn't say it didn't hurt. I don't say that this is
not a development which we would have preferred not to
occur, but this is not the kind of crisis that we cannot
overcome. It is a development which we found it premature,
we would like to see how they live up to, live by their
deeds to their words, and, indeed, I think what President
Reagan said today was reassuring to us. But what our
experience with the PLO is quite different.
MR. LEHRER: Are you concerned at all with the fact
that since Secretary Shultz made that announcement
yesterday, without exception, at least I couldn't find
anything in looking at the wires today, without exception,
every nation in the world in Western Europe, allies of
Israel, as well as the United States, have praised what the
Secretary did?
AMB. ARAD: It's not the first time that Israel finds
itself in a minority position. It's not the first time that
few of the other countries relative or relevant to the
conflict, to what's happening in the Middle East is a view
of to a certain detachment. We are dealing with our own
future, our own security. Of course, I was also reassured
that Secretary of State Shultz has informed the Prime
Minister and the Foreign Minister that the object of these
meetings would be to see how an advancement towards the
peace process can be achieved. But we are concerned with the
fact that this decision would send the wrong signal to those
elements in the PLO and to Mr. Arafat, thinking that he can
do what he has done for the last several years, speak softly
in the West and carry a big stick when it comes in dealing
with us, and this is our experience. I mean, I am not
talking about our imagination. I'm speaking about what had
happened and it's still going and happening in the
territories and in Israel proper.
MR. LEHRER: Mr. Ambassador, thank you.
AMB. ARAD: Thank you.
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