|
BOB
FRANKEN: Welcome to Newsmaker Sunday. I'm Bob Franken in
Washington. An emergency United Nations meeting in Geneva,
and renewed violence in Israel that prompted it, serve as
stark reminders that while peace is breaking out in many
parts of the world, the Mideast is a dangerous exceptions.
Peace is breaking out in many parts of the world, the Middle
East is a dangerous exception. Joining us today to discuss
the renewed Palestinian uprising are Moshe Arad, Israeli
Ambassador to the United States, who this morning is quoted
as saying, 'Israel stands before a grave crisis in its
relations with the United States;' Richard Murphy, former
assistant secretary of state; James Zogby of the
Arab-American Institute; and, Michael Lerner of Tikkun
magazine. Israel, Palestinians and world opinion next on
Newsmaker Sunday.
[voice-over] Once again, angry Palestinians, many of them
children, were by the thousands flinging rocks at heavily
armed Israeli security forces, showing that the period of
quiet in the occupied territories was a deceptive calm.
Nearly 20 Palestinians were killed in the latest violence.
Hundreds wounded. And once again Israel's image world wide
was taking a serious beating.
YASSER ARAFAT: This what we are asking -- we are not
asking for the moon. We are asking for the international
entity to be implemented.
FRANKEN: [voice-over] Meeting in Geneva to avoid U.S.
visa problems for Yasser Arafat, the United Nations Security
Council heard the PLO leader call for the deployment of an
international force to disputed Israeli territory. What was
remarkable was that the United States was not totally
rejecting the idea.
JAMES A. BAKER III, United States Secretary of State:
We would be prepared to discuss the question of a UN
observer team if that, indeed, comes up.
FRANKEN: [voice-over] That departure from
long-standing U.S. policy is just the latest sign of the
Bush administration's clear irritation with the Israeli
government's refusal so far to agree to peace negotiations
with the Palestinians and so, many think, is the president's
reaction to the renewed violence in Israel.
PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH: Well, I have called on both
sides for restraint. I've called on the Israeli forces to
show constraint.
FRANKEN: [voice-over] Israeli officials insist the
criticism is unfair and that the new rioting is simply a
cynical attempt to exploit the tragic violence of a deranged
man. A week ago, a 21-year-old, who had been discharged from
the army, rounded up Palestinian workers, shot seven to
death and wounded 10 others. That ignited Palestinian
outrage, not only throughout Israel, but outward into Jordan
where protesters attacked a bus load of French tourists and
wounded several.
MOSHE ARENS, Foreign Minister, Israel: The Israeli
government has expressed its great sorrow at the incident,
sympathy to bereaved families, the hope that those who were
injured will fully recover.
FRANKEN: [voice-over] Palestinians reject all Israel
sympathy.
HANAN ASHRAWI, Bir Zeit University: We place the full
blame on the Israeli government and the Israeli political
circles for preparing for this and for perpetuating such
massacres constantly.
FRANKEN: By the way, ultimately, the United States
blocked any action on international observers after Israel
refused to go along, so the United States action at the
moment is sort of at a standstill.
Ambassador Arad, thank you very much for being with us. Let
me start with a quote that is attributed to you today by the
largest Israeli daily. It is quoting what was a secret cable
that you reportedly sent. It says, 'Israel stands before a
grave crisis in its relations with the United States which
refuses -- ' which means that you have to reexamine your
polices is what the cable goes on to say. Did you say that?
MOSHE ARAD, Israeli Ambassador to the United States:
Well, I assume that you will understand if I will not like
to comment about my communication with my government. I
think this is an issue which should stay between myself and
the Israel government. I think the relationship is sound,
strong and solid. We are facing -- facing at this very
moment a somewhat bumpy road. I think there are a number of
issues which require to be addressed and as soon as an
Israeli government will be in place that the next prime
minister -- the new prime minister, rather, I would say --
probably would address the issue and, of course, at the top
of the agenda is a continuation of the peace process.
FRANKEN: Your description of it as a bumpy road is
consistent with your Prime Minister Shamir's description of
it, but you have many American Jewish groups, which are such
an important part of Israel's support, who are critical of
Israel now, for the first time in many cases. You are being
caught up in a whole whirlwind of worldwide opinion, and the
United States seems to be taking a more negative view
towards Israel. Do you, in fact, believe, as you are quoted
as saying here, that there is a crisis, a grave crisis?
AMB. ARAD: Well, I believe that the support of the
American Jewish community is strong and solid. There were
instance of criticism about certain actions of the Israel
government. The action concerning the hostile -- in the
Christian East Jerusalem is one example. I think there is a
criticism in the community about the system of government,
the fact that we were unable for the last two
[unintelligible], but the overall support for Israel and the
problems that are facing us, the threats to its existence,
to its security, the prospect that the President of Iraq,
Saddam Hussein, has by his statement concerning the security
of Israel - - and threatening to put fire to half of Israel
-- the issue of the rejection of that, I think, are
understood by the American Jewish community, and they
support Israel.
FRANKEN: But the United States, above and beyond the
American Jewish community, is now having the president call
for Israeli restraint when it comes to the Palestinian
uprising. You have a secretary of state who surely was not
surprised when eyebrows were raised when he said they would
consider the international observer force. Most people take
those as signs of eroding U.S. support for Israel.
AMB. ARAD: Well, I feel that the administration has
-- is addressing the issues, and a major concern of the
administration as far as I understand it is to re-initiate
the peace process. And this content -- in this context, you
will find the new Israeli government as interested as the
administration to pursue the process, which is, after all,
based on the Israeli peace initiative, which was presented
and endorsed by the American administration last year.
FRANKEN: What about the opposite complaint on the
part of Arab representatives, in the words of one, that
Israel continues to have a strangle-hold on American foreign
policy?
AMB. ARAD: Well, I think this is a comment which
really doesn't really require comment. I think the
administration and the American policy towards the Middle
East is clear, it's one of support for the peace process.
It's one of rejecting any threats for war. Israel, of
course, is not only -- is not interested in war -- is
interested in pursuing the peace process and we feel that
the issue has to be negotiated at the negotiating table.
FRANKEN: When we return, in a moment, let's discuss
many people's feelings that Israel really is not interested
in pursuing the peace process. We'll do that when we
continue in a moment.
[Commercial break]
FRANKEN: The latest violence in Israel was ignited
last Sunday, a week ago, when a man described as deranged by
the Israelis massacred seven Palestinians -- shot, skilled
seven Palestinians and wounded 10 others. And Israel says
that the uprising is sort of a cynical reaction to all of
this. But your critics say that, in fact, this was not just
a deranged man acting, he was really acting as -- on behalf,
they say, of a racist policy against the Arabs in Israel
that's pervasive.
AMB. ARAD: Well, I think it's a cynical, really,
attempt to exploit a crime, a very dastardly crime, against
innocent Arabs, civilians, while they were waiting on the
side of the road to be picked up. But I think the whole Arab
reaction concerning this act is one in trying to inflame
again -- to inflame the hatred and the violence against
Israel and to perpetrate more crimes.
FRANKEN: Well, what the critics say, and not just
Arabs, is that, in fact, this was just a reaction to
extremely repressive policies against the Palestinians in
Israel and of an attitude in Israel that they are somehow
inferior; in other words, a racist act.
AMB. ARAD: There is no such attitude in Israel, I can
assure you. The statements made by the leadership of Israel,
the expression of sympathy and bringing flowers and sympathy
by those Arab victims in Israel, by the public at large, is
the best reflection that we are not a racist state, there is
no such atmosphere. On the contrary, there is a lot of
sympathy and understanding for the suffering. And we who
have suffered so much in the last 42 years, since the
establishment of the State Israel and previously, can
understand this. But I think that statements like -- by the
prime minister of Jordan, by Mr. Arafat, which suggest that
this is a concerted policy of massacres, this tends to
inflame, this tends to actually encourage people to further
violence.
FRANKEN: If not repression, why is it that Israel is
not able to negotiate on an equal footing with the people
Palestinians want as their negotiators, namely, the PLO?
AMB. ARAD: We have suggested elections for the people
of Palestine, for the people in the territories, so they
will be able to elect their own leadership and not to
negotiate with people which are devoted to the destruction
of Israel and which are, after all -- and have made their
career as leaders of terrorist organizations.
FRANKEN: When you slip some of these people in who
you won't negotiate with, you take away some of the very
people they would like as their representatives.
AMB. ARAD: We don't know and we cannot say who are
going to be the people elected by the Palestinians in free
elections. We have an excellent record in terms of having
free elections. We are offering this offer again, we repeat
this statement and I think the Palestinian have an
extraordinary opportunity to take their future in their own
hands and to insure that their legitimate rights would be
implemented.
FRANKEN: Ambassador Arad, thank you very much for
being with us. As you know, there are any number of points
of view which we'll explore in just a moment.
|