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AMBASSADOR
RABINOVICH: Thank you for coming to the Embassy of Israel on
this difficult day. Let me begin with two items of news. The
government of Israel concluded, a few minutes ago, a special
lengthy session, which was held at the Ministry of Defense
in Tel Aviv. Perhaps the location was not accidental.
Security is uppermost in everybody's mind in Israel today.
It made a series of decisions and passed a series of
resolutions that will embody the determination to conduct an
all-out effective counter-campaign against the terrorist
campaign, which has been waged against the state of Israel
and the citizens of the state of Israel in recent days.
Later in the day, we will be able to share with you some
additional details concerning the government's session. But
the principal decision that I can share with you now
concerns a resolution on the establishment of a special
staff headed by the new director the General Security
Service, to coordinate and wage the all-out campaign the
terrorist organizations anywhere.
The second news item that I wanted to share with you has to
do with the instruction that the Israeli delegation to the
peace talks with Syria has received today, to go back to
Israel. Yesterday, after the second terror act in Jerusalem,
the decision was made to postpone the resumption of the
second part of the current Wye talks by one day, to mark the
sorrow and the sense of grief that all Israelis have.
But after today's outrage in Tel Aviv, it is obvious to us
that this is not the context within which an effective peace
process can be conducted and that, for now, the Israeli
delegation has been instructed to go back to Israel.
Let me put all of this in a somewhat broader context. The
recent waves of attacks has affected the very fundamentals
of public life in Israel. And the tasks of the Israeli
government, as we see them now, are principally three.
First and foremost is to put an effective and immediate end
to the present terrorist campaign, and to assure that no
more attacks will be conducted successfully against
civilians and civilian targets in Israel.
Secondly -- the second objective of government policies is
to assure that this will remain the case in the future; that
is to say, beyond the immediate campaign and the immediate
need to put an end to the current wave lies the longer-term
need to provide security to the population of Israel, to all
segments of the population in all parts of Israel.
Thirdly, comes the need to prevent an undermining of the
peace process. This is one of the objectives of the
organizers of the present campaign. And we are determined,
once we consolidate the situation and guarantee the basic
security of Israelis and every Israeli, would be to make
sure that this political aim of undermining the peace
process does not succeed.
In conducting the present effort by the Israeli government,
we are guided by a number of principles. First and foremost
is the duty and ability of the government of Israel to
provide security to its population and to conduct an
effective campaign against the terrorist organizations and
their infrastructure. And let me underline the word
"infrastructure". Of course we focus on the individual
terrorist who commits the heinous act or who commits the
suicide bombing. But we always have to bear in mind that
these individuals come from a background, that there is a
infrastructure that supports them, that makes the activity
possible. And our campaign is directed against the
organizations and against the infrastructure.
I said we, the government of Israel and the security forces
of Israel, will act as if there was nobody else, as if we
alone had the task of providing security to the population
of Israel. Having said that, we do not wish to exonerate
anybody else who can and should contribute to this campaign.
First and foremost, the Palestinian Authority, that has been
doing more in recent days; it should do even more than that,
and it should be consistent and persistent in pursuing what
I have defined so far in Israeli terms, but also in
Palestinian terms, is a mortal challenge to that very
authority.
Secondly, there has to be a supportive Arab context. This
peace process has been conducted with Palestinians and with
the Arab world. We have had several Arab partners to this
peace process. We hope and expect that these Arab partners
to the peace process will lend a hand, an arm and a shoulder
to the effort to save that peace process from a deadly
attack, offensive, that has been directed against it. There
is much that the Palestinian Authority can do, but in order
to maximize its ability to do so and to sustain it over
time, it needs to have the political, moral and logistical
support of the rest of the Arab world, or at least the rest
of those parts of the Arab world that are supportive of the
peace process.
Finally, we are working hand in hand with the Clinton
administration. And the determination of that administration
to invest everything that it can in, first and foremost,
supporting us, and then in supporting the peace process, is
a source of comfort to us, as is the encouragement and
support that have been coming from Congress and from all
segments of American society. In these difficult days, we
know that we are not alone. Thank you very much.
Q: Does this mean, Mr. Ambassador, that Israel is ready to
strike at the infrastructure outside of Israel?
AMB. RABINOVICH: I think that we would rather this was not
done by us. But if it is not done by those who are there who
have the formal responsibility, I think we'll have to look
very closely at the possibility of us doing what needs to be
done. Yes, please?
Q: Does that mean going to Iran, Mr. Ambassador?
AMB. RABINOVICH: Pardon?
Q: Does that mean striking at Iran?
AMB. RABINOVICH: I think it's premature to get into any
details. But I think we focus first and foremost on our
immediate environment. Although when I said "infrastructure
of terrorism", that infrastructure unfortunately extends
also beyond our immediate environment.
Q: What would you like the United States to do specifically?
AMB. RABINOVICH: I think the United States is looking at a
number of possibilities. I think that this afternoon the --
there is a consultation that the president is holding, and
I'm confident that at the end of that meeting decisions will
be made, and they will be announced. And I would let the
administration make these announcements. But I am confident
that the basic political and technical needs that we may
have in waging this very difficult campaign will be assisted
by the administration.
Q: What specifically would you like Syria to do? And is it
fair to conclude that if Syria had been more forthcoming in
its conversations with your delegation over the last few
days, condemning the attack and promising to do something
with Hamas and other radical groups that are in Damascus,
that you wouldn't have called off the (negotiations ?)?
AMB. RABINOVICH: No, I can be very categorical on that
latter part of your question. The decision to recall the
delegation to Israel is not related to statements made or
not made, or to actions taken or not taken by Syria, as I
said. It was done against a general background and against
the -- well, on the background of a feeling that this is not
a fruitful time for engaging in such negotiations. I said
this is unrelated to statements that could have been made.
But unrelated to this, we would hope that what was a faint
-- one faint theme in the Syrian media last week -- last
week the word "condemn," the term "condemn" was used for the
first time in this context in the Syrian media -- that this
does not remain an isolated theme, but becomes a more
explicit and a more persistent denunciation.
Now I do not think that we need to single Syria out. Syria
is not a case by itself. Syria is one of the Arab states who
participate in the peace process, who negotiate with us, and
my call would not be directed specifically at Syria, but at
the bloc of Arab states who also have a stake in the status
quo.
Q: Mr. Ambassador, I have three questions, if I might.
AMB. RABINOVICH: Yes, please.
Q: What, specifically, do you want the Palestinian Authority
to do in its areas to stem those heinous acts of terrorists,
knowing that these criminal perpetrators committed these
acts on Israeli territory? (Off mike) -- two of them. What
do you think of upgrading the joint Israeli-Palestinian
security convoys or forces or elements in the area? Last but
not least, what do you think -- or when do you think that
the closure of the territories will be ended or eased up?
AMB. RABINOVICH: One is, there is a lot that can be done. I
think that the security apparatus of the Palestinian
Authority has a very good picture of who the leaders are,
who the cadres are, who the preachers are who have been
brainwashing those demented individuals who have carried out
these attacks. They may know where arms caches are,
explosives caches are. I think we need to see a day-in,
day-out, street-by-street, house-by-house operation
designated to root out the infrastructure of these
organizations.
Now, you said that these acts were committed on Israeli
territory, but somebody left -- a place near Hebron or a
place near Gaza, somebody provided that somebody with
explosives, some brainwashed the mind of that young man, and
the only way in which this can be counteracted is by the --
is by the Palestinian Authority.
Now, we would like to see a greater coordination between us
and the Palestinians in the area of security. This is
important, but let me emphasize this will not be a
substitute for what the Palestinians have to do for
themselves. Your third --
Q: When will the closure --
AMB. RABINOVICH: Ah, the closure. I don't think there's a
date yet. I think our focus right now is on the prevention
of further acts, and any notions or reflections on the
lifting of the closure, I think, will have to wait. Yes,
please?
Q: You said that on the one hand, you don't want to see --
(inaudible), but you also said before that one of the
guiding principles in the anti-terrorism campaign is waging
a campaign versus -- (inaudible) -- structure. With part of
the Hamas's infrastructure being based in Damascus, how do
you reconcile that -- (inaudible)?
AMB. RABINOVICH: To the best of my knowledge, this is not an
operational infrastructure. It's a PR operation. This
doesn't make us happy, but this is not -- this is not an
operational infrastructure. We're not appreciative of the
fact that statements are sometimes published in Damascus,
but it's not the statements that make the difference. It's
the explosives that make the difference.
Q: But you also said that defense -- it's not a question of
what Syria says or doesn't say, or what it does or doesn't
do. What would you like to see them do about the segment of
Hamas that is based there?
AMB. RABINOVICH: Of course, we would have liked Syria to
close down whatever office Hamas has and not to allow the
publication of Hamas's, or any other terrorist
organization's, communiquZs in Damascus. But this is a
political issue; it's not an operational issue. We are in
negotiations with Syria. The purpose of the negotiations is
to make peace between the two countries. For peace to be
made between the two countries, trust has to be established
between the two countries. The fact that offices exist and
operate and statements are published and condemnations are
not issued by the government, do not contribute to the
establishment of such trust. Yes, please, Matt?
Q: Can there be the resumption of talks with Syria as long
as there is no condemnation or statement of -- (inaudible)
--
AMB. RABINOVICH: Yes, I --
Q: -- and is Syria a viable partner in the peace process
unless the Hamas office is closed and they issue some
statement?
AMB. RABINOVICH: Yes, I have not -- if you noticed, I have
not established any linkage; I have not made any conditions.
I was asked specifically whether a condemnation would have
delayed the departure of the delegation. I said no, this was
not the case. But I did point, just a few minutes ago, to
the political linkage, the political impact that the Syrian
line on these issues has. So we've been very careful not to
-- not to put conditions before negotiations. There
negotiations are difficult and complex enough. But honestly
-- we have to be honest and explain to the Syrians that
failure to respond to what we think is not just our needs
but the objective needs of the peace process, is politically
unhelpful.
Q: Does Israel have the impression that Hamas itself is
divided? On the one hand there was the statement that there
would be a three-month suspension of bomb attack, and then
comes today's attack. And if this organization is indeed
splintered, does that make Israel's job of countering it
more difficult?
AMB. RABINOVICH: First of all, it may be the case. And of
course the more ideological organizations of this kind tend
to splinter over questions of ideology and policy, which
makes discipline and dealing with them more difficult. Let
me say that I was totally unimpressed by the statement that
you refer to. We did not see that as an offering of peace,
we did not take it seriously, and I'm glad we did not,
because you see what it amounted to. Yes, Sid, please?
Q: Mr. Ambassador, is Israel still of the opinion that Hamas
is raising money in the United States?
AMB. RABINOVICH: Is --?
Q: Is Israel still of the opinion that Hamas is raising
money legally in the United States?
AMB. RABINOVICH: It's not a question of opinion, it's a
question of facts, and I'm afraid they still do. That Hamas
became very sophisticated in fund-raising and disguising the
true efforts of fundraising, and these are facts, these are
not a matter of opinion. Yes, please?
Q: Yes, could I ask about the extent of the threat in the
sense that this morning an administration official
knowledgeable about terror said off-the- record that -- when
he was asked, "Is it true that there are only 200 members of
[Iz-a-din-al] Qassem Brigade and Islamic Jihad combined?"
And he said, "Why don't you try less than 100." What is
Israel's view of that?
AMB. RABINOVICH: Frankly, I don't know what the figures are
and I wouldn't want to mislead you by offering any figure.
But you know when you're looking at individuals who are
willing to blow themselves up with several pounds of
explosives, even a hundred is a very large number. Barry?
Q: I was wondering about the process itself, which if I
remember correctly with a handshake on the White House lawn,
this was described as a trial period, a risky period, a
trial period, I mean, give it a chance, see if you could --
for one thing, you gave the PLO control over security in
vast areas of the West Bank. You had Israeli troops pull
back. Maybe you're surprised that the attacks are in Israel
proper instead of against settlers. But as you reflect, do
you see any reason to reconsider or to adjust any of the
things you've done? Of course -- (off mike) -- the
administration -- (off mike) -- the Israelis -- these are
the two people who pushed this deal, so it can't expect a
lot of self-criticism here.
AMB. RABINOVICH: Mmm-hmm. (In acknowledgment.)
Q: But still I'm wondering -- I mean, you know, as an honest
broker, an honest observer, if you would reflect and say
whether maybe you made some wrong moves.
AMB. RABINOVICH: I think every complex policy requires the
authors of the policy and the individuals in the departments
who execute the policy to keep thinking about what they are
doing and to assess what they are doing as they go along.
Clearly, a challenge along the lines that we have witnessed
and a challenge with the degree of severity that we
witnessed gives us pause. And the government spent over two
hours today in reviewing security questions. These are --
all have a direct bearing on the questions that you raised.
And I'm sure that as we are treated to a more detailed
version of the government's resolution of today, you will
see adjustments in the security area. Yes, please?
Q: You say that you're looking for help from the Palestinian
Authority and other supportive groups to, in your words,
"root out the infrastructure" of these terrorists. But what
is the timetable, or how long will it be before Israel acts
on its own?
AMB. RABINOVICH: Israel is acting on its own. Now your
question overlaps, to some extent, Barry Schweid's question.
The -- it's very important, in dealing with a challenge as
severe as the present challenge, not to overreact. And as I
said, the -- what we need to do as a government is very
clear to us, and these are the priorities: the personal
security and the collective security of the citizens of
Israel. But there is also a tomorrow, and the longer-range
future is in a political settlement. Military and security
responses deal with the immediate challenge, as they do not
provide an overall solution. The overall solution remains
political, and we must not lose sight of that.
Q: (Off mike) -- can I --
AMB. RABINOVICH: Yes?
Q: -- I still don't really understand --
AMB. RABINOVICH: Yes?
Q: -- your explanation -- and you don't want the word
"postponed" used; I'm not sure what word you prefer -- for
setting aside, perhaps, the Israeli-Syria negotiations. I
mean, is it inappropriate because this is a period of
mourning? Or is it politically -- I sense that it isn't
politically the best time for the Israeli government to make
further concessions. You'd like the dust to settle a little
bit, maybe the terrorism to recede a little bit into the
background, and then you can proceed ahead on the track
you're on. What is it that stops you from having these
talks? If you say indeed the process must go on, why isn't
it going on this afternoon? Or is it just a matter of some
mourning period?
AMB. RABINOVICH: You used the term is it inappropriate? I
would turn it around and say what is appropriate. The
appropriate thing to do was to -- not to negotiate; to
indicate that business is not as usual. Now, your second
proposition will not stand, or will not hold water in this
case because we have not been discussing concessions, we
have been discussing with the Syrians the question of
security arrangements in the event of an agreement between
the two countries. These were presentations of the Syrian
concept of security, the Israeli concept of security. And
believe me, we could have continued Tuesday and Wednesday to
juxtapose these concepts without having made any
concessions. So the question of making or not making
concessions in this atmosphere is just not a relevant
question here. It was the sense of the Israeli government of
what was the right thing to do on a day like this, and the
decision was that the right thing to do was to recall the
Israeli delegation back home.
Q: Mr. Ambassador?
AMB. RABINOVICH: Yes, Charlie, please?
Q: You said before that it's a fact that Hamas is still
fundraising in the U.S. What have you asked the
administration to do specifically beyond the president's
order of January of '95 to squeeze that tighter?
AMB. RABINOVICH: I don't think we got into -- I don't think
we got into specifics. I think the administration knows what
the nature of the problem is, and I think it has the
political will to do what is necessary. But as I think the
case of Abu Marzouk has indicated, when you have to operate
within the confines of the law, sometimes it's difficult.
The fact is that the extradition request is subjected to a
very long and complex legal review. Yes, please?
Q: On the Wye talks, did you feel that there was real
substantive progress being made? And do you feel that those
talks, out of the context of this situation, have a future?
AMB. RABINOVICH: There was limited progress in the sense
that I think at the end of the last few days of negotiations
both we and the Syrians had a better understanding of each
other's concepts of security. There was no closing of the
gaps. Now, you have to bear in mind that this government has
been negotiating with Syria for three and a half years, and
it is not this day of negotiations or another day of
negotiations that would make the crucial difference. This is
-- it's been a very lengthy and difficult negotiations, and
we don't measure it by the day or by the week.
STAFF: Okay, thank you very much.
Q: Thank you.
AMB. RABINOVICH: Thank you. |