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BERNARD
SHAW, Anchor: Hizbullah guerrillas fire rockets at northern
Israel. Israel responds with air strikes against Hizbullah
targets in Lebanon. And now, Israeli residents near the
Lebanese border are running for cover, fearing a new round
of retaliation. Joining us now to discuss the escalating
warfare between Israel and Lebanon, the Israel ambassador to
the United States, Itamar Rabinovich.
Mr. Ambassador, what, in your judgment, is the solution to
this conflict?
ITAMAR RABINOVICH, Israeli Ambassador to U.S.: It's the
ultimate solution and the real solution to this conflict is
peace. We are in the midst of a peace process. Sometimes,
it's difficult to remember that fact, given the many, many
attacks against the peace process. But we are in a peace
process. Negotiations with Lebanon have been suspended by
the Lebanese a long time ago, but we are negotiating with
Syria, and we expect that a political solution with Syria
would result also in a political solution with Lebanon, and
that is a solution, but that, of course, is for the longer
range. In the immediate range, our main purpose is to put an
end to these Hizbullah attacks.
BERNARD SHAW: What should be Syria's role in this?
ITAMAR RABINOVICH: Syria holds real sway in Lebanon. There
is a Lebanese state and there is a Lebanese government, and
Iran meddles in the affairs of Lebanon, but the real power
in Lebanon is Syria. The Syrians have exercised some
influence, and we think that they should exercise full
influence in order to bring an end to this. They can do it.
BERNARD SHAW: CNN's Walter Rodgers reported earlier on World
View that Damascus Radio calls your country's raids
'dangerous and unjust.' Other than that, Syria has had no
official response. Does that surprise you?
ITAMAR RABINOVICH: No. On the face of it, this is the Syrian
position - that this is a form of legitimate resistance, but
over the past few months, and in fact, over the past few
years, every so often, the Syrians have exercised limited
influence on Hizbullah to restrain its activities. Over the
past few weeks, this has been to no avail. You mentioned the
Israeli residents going down to shelters. This is not the
first time that this has happened in the past few weeks, and
the last salvo of Katyusha rockets was really unprovoked and
Hizbullah, apparently at the Iranian orders, has decided to
challenge us and the peace process directly. The Syrian
channel is not effective, and we had to take matters into
our own hands.
BERNARD SHAW: And I infer from that that this violence is
going to continue - as long as one side attacks the other,
the other side will retaliate?
ITAMAR RABINOVICH: I don't call our action retaliation. I
think we would like to put an end to this, and certainly, we
cannot tolerate the situation where Hizbullah, at will,
launches rockets into northern Israel. So this is not
retaliation. This is an attempt to put an end to it.
BERNARD SHAW: Some observers speculate that what is going on
here is related to politics within your country. There have
been charges by the Likud Party that Prime Minister Peres is
weak. The speculation being that the prime minister has
decided to retaliate here to show that he is not weak.
ITAMAR RABINOVICH: I don't think this is the case, because I
think we have waited, we have been biting our lips for a
very long time. And there is a point at which you lose your
credibility, you lose your deterrence. We have supporters
inside Lebanon who expect to see us acting. There are
repercussions with regard to the Palestinians as to what
happens. Hizbullah could be a source of inspiration for
Palestinians. There are many, many good reasons for acting,
and the fact is that the shoe is on the other foot. That is
to say that the government has restrained for a very long,
and has acted, I think, when we crossed a red line.
BERNARD SHAW: And finally, as we saw in the report that
preceded us in this interview, the speculation on the part
of some people in the Middle East that these air strikes by
your country might actually embolden Hizbullah into further
acts.
ITAMAR RABINOVICH: As a matter of fact, we are not limiting
ourselves to air strikes. Helicopters acted, and we are not
saying that it will be limited to air strikes if Hizbullah
continues. No, this is the argument that we always hear,
that you're playing to the opposition's hand by responding,
but what is the alternative? If we sit with you our hands
folded, will Hizbullah cease its operations, or will it be
even more emboldened by Israeli passivity? This is not
something we like to do, and as I said earlier, we have
waited long enough, but a powerful response at this point, I
think, is the response that is called for.
BERNARD SHAW: And very quickly, did I just hear a possible
hint of the use of ground troops by Israel, if necessary?
ITAMAR RABINOVICH: We are not threatening with anything, we
are not ruling out anything. The prime minister said today
that we'll make our judgment as the situation unfolds. We
are not making any commitments and we are not making any
statements.
BERNARD SHAW: Ambassador Rabinovich, thank you very much for
joining us.
ITAMAR RABINOVICH: Thank you very much.
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